"Conservative Evangelicals" Partner With Heretical IHOP Emergent Church:

Ronnie Floyd, while president of the Southern Baptist Convention, attends gathering at heretical IHOP.


(For full discussion of the Heretical IHOP "Church" see the webpage, "Emergent Church")

24/7 IHOP: Where the Menu is Heresy with Syrup on the Side

In December of 2015, Ronnie Floyd, the president of the Southern Baptist Convention, participated, openly, with the well-known, widely acknowledged heresy of "apostle Mike Bickle" known as International House of Prayer, or IHOP.  (You hang out with any "apostles" besides those in the New Testament?  No.  Me either.  Because there aren't any.)

 

Bickle and his IHOP co-heretics aren't peddling pancakes either.  They are ground zero for charismatic heresy, featuring everything from promoting, and claiming, extra-biblical revelation, the power of signs and wonders (supernatural healing) to speaking in gibberish (tongues) to even, get this, associations with those who claim to have raised the dead.  (Go look up Todd Bentley.  Bickle was one of three "apostles" who "anointed" Bentley in his own apostle-ship a few years ago in Tampa.)

 

Sounds normal if you're a devotee of TBN.  But it isn't orthodox.  It isn't remotely close to Biblical Christianity.  It is nothing less than the very thing Peter, or John, or Paul, or Christ warned about.  It is false teaching.  It is heresy.

 

But eagerly stepping forward to share the dais in this festival of kum-ba-ya-ism is none other than the SBC's own Ronnie Floyd.

 

I ask you again, when Scripture says "avoid them", what does that mean to you?  How do you possibly eisegete that command to arrive at the opposite interpretation?  ​(Cuz you sure can't exegete it that way!)

 

But it gets worse (or better, if you're into the whole kum-ba-ya, let's-hold-hands-and-force-faux-unity thing). 

 

This July, the 16th to be precise, Ronnie Floyd will step again into "co-exist" comradery by participating with another batch of false teachers at the Together 2016 gala. 

 

This event features such notable false teachers as the gay endorsing "church" Hillsong, including one of its "pastor-ettes", Christine Caine.  Throw in another "pastor" (umm, sorry, gender exclusions apply; women can't have that job) singer Kari Jobe, Word of Faith proclaimer Mike Kelsey and, oh yeah, that guy who said "Jesus is as fake as the easter bunny" (Kirk Franklin).  The entire event itself is organized by the charismatic Assembly of God, hardly a traditional orthodox ally of Southern Baptists.

 

But Floyd is going.  He's going to speak.  No doubt his message will be similar to his proclamation in December at the Onething heresy event, that he'll "bend a knee" with any one willing to pray for God to awaken America.  And by "anyone", Floyd means apparently, just that, even ones about whom the real Apostle Paul says "avoid".

 

Now, by way of his voluntary alliances with and participation in such heretical nonsense as just these two events, it begs the question ... exactly who does Floyd think Paul is referring to when he says "avoid them"?  Who is Floyd avoiding?  Indeed, who is the leadership of the SBC avoiding.  We seem eager to disregard discernment opting instead for diabolical dalliances with those we're told to expose and avoid.

 

With complete disregard to the implicit endorsement his presence at such heretical nonsense implies, and with certain disregard to Scriptural commands against participation, Floyd will participate, because, well ... apparently ... "Awaken America."

 

I know Floyd's a preacher, a seminarian, and the president of my denomination, but, oddly enough,  I just can't find "co-exist" espoused as a core doctrine for the New Testament church.

 

When Jesus repeated the Shema, addending it with "thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself", it wasn't a command to seek unity with the world.  It was not an encouragement to embrace the world ("Do not love the world or the things of the world" 1 John 2:15), to hand-hold with heretics ("Avoid them" Romans 1:17), or to advance political and/or social agendas with disregard for either the Gospel, or our witness in the world. ("Preach the GOSPEL to the whole creation" Mark 16:15)

 

We live in a post-modernist culture where faux tolerance and unquestioned acceptance of anything and everything is the norm.  Our culture has taken the Golden Rule to an extreme never implied by those words of our Lord.  "Do unto others" only matters IF there ARE rules, guidelines, morals, foundational tenets that are absolute, certain, and pervasive.  Do unto others" doesn't mean "let them get away with whatever they want. And it surely doesn't mean, hold hands with them while they do it.

 

The SBC has succumbed to the world by tacitly promoting the politically-correct ideal of "co-existence".  Our churches have done such a tremendous job in appealing to the world, that now the world dominates the church.  We attract them with programs, and events, and, frankly, gaudy attractions to convince them "hey, church is cool, hip, relevant.   Join our family!".  (Yet, in 2014, for every SBC new church planted, we lost 200 members!)

 

But that's not the Gospel.  Indeed, to attract the world, we have to either forget giving a bonafide Gospel presentation or we have to water it down to an "it's all about you" false teaching that soothes the ears of the world.  Do that and they'll pack your pews. Defense exhibit number one that this approach works?  Joel Osteen.  He packs the "pews" of his "church" by "not" telling people the actual Gospel, by promoting a soothing "co-existence" message to eager ears.  Apparently the SBC is catching on to Joel's "have your best church now" agenda.

 

For us, as believers, the Gospel is GOOD NEWS.  But for the folks sitting in Joel's arena, and in so many SBC churches where a "co-existence" false Gospel is proclaimed, the authentic Gospel is HORRIBLE news.  We can't attract the masses by telling them the truth.  So we don't.  We haven't.  And, as Jeremiah observed ...

 

An appalling and horrible thing

    has happened in the land:

the prophets prophesy falsely,

    and the priests rule at their direction;

my people love to have it so,

    but what will you do when the end comes?

 

Unlike the days of Jeremiah, we no longer have prophets and priests. (Despite the fact that Ronnie Floyd shares the stage with those who claim they are the modern day "apostles".)  Revelatory prophecy has ceased and collectively believers constitute a "royal priesthood", with Christ as our Great High Priest. 

 

​Even so, in SBC "land", "appalling and horrible" things are happening.

 

Appalling things like disregarding explicit commands of Scripture.

 

Appalling things like diluting our witness among a watching world by dancing with deceivers.

 

Appalling things like forsaking the gospel to instead pursue political and social agendas.

Horrible things.  Horrible things, indeed.  May God forgive Ronnie Floyd, and us.  May we return to the WORD, in repentance and in obedience.   It's not an awakening of America we need.  It's an awakening of the SBC.  Pray for that.  Bend your knees for that.

 

Otherwise, more "horrible things" surely await.

 

What will we do when the end comes?

 

"Conservative Evangelicals" Partner With Heretical IHOP

Submitted by Matt Costella on Jan, 05, 2016

Ignoring or jettisoning the biblical doctrine of separation from false teaching can lead a professing Christian down a path previously thought to be unimaginable. Such is the case with two “conservative evangelical” leaders who recently spoke at the International House of Prayer (IHOP) “Onething 2015” Young Adult Conference in Kansas City, MO. Popular author Francis Chan and Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) president Ronnie Floyd both lent credence to the cult-like, hyper-charismatic teachings of self-proclaimed “apostle” and “prophet” Mike Bickle and his IHOP ministry by being a part of the conference. Obviously aware of the controversy surrounding his association with the IHOP conference, Floyd told those in attendance, “My being here isn’t an endorsement of your theology or your endorsing my orthodoxy. If we’re honest with each other, we know that thousands of us that are filling this convention center and thousands of us that are watching this online, we’re not in total agreement about life, ministry, or the Bible. … Yet my being here is a clear indication that people must come together and pray” (“Southern Baptist President Leads Thousands of Students in Prayer for Awakening,” Charisma News, 1-4-16). Other conference participants with whom Chan and Floyd partnered in ministry include Reinhard Bonnke and Daniel Kolenda—both extreme “Third Wave,” signs-and-wonders evangelists who have claimed to raise people from the dead, as well as Matt Maher, a Roman Catholic musician who served as a “featured worship artist” at the Onething gathering. It is certainly sad that evangelicalism has become so spiritually bankrupt and polluted as to allow professing conservative leaders to lend any amount of credibility to the dangerous and heretical views of IHOP and its leader Mike Bickle. And, it is disheartening to see Floyd try to rationalize his actions by claiming that it is acceptable to God to unite with error in an effort to pray for revival. This is the sad end of the belief that biblical separation does not matter to God and should not be a part of one’s life and ministry.

 

 

Ronnie Floyd Speaks at IHOP. Reveals the Bible is "Secondary"

 

-Reverend Anthony Wade - January 1, 2016

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-- not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. - Galatians 1: 6-9 (ESV)


Prosperity gospels. Hyper-grace. Word-faith. False signs and lying wonders. Dominionism. Joel's End Time Army. Seeker friendly. Purpose driven. Watered down. Sugar coated. Star Wars sermons. Secular music as worship. Sometimes amidst the absurdities we see in the church we lose sight of why these things are such a big deal. We can begin to become numb to them. So Joel Osteen butchered Romans 4:17 again; who cares? So Joseph Prince told everyone that to repent means to consent to be loved; what's the big deal? So Mike Bickle claims direct revelation from God, teaches contemplative prayer, eastern mysticism, the bridal paradigm, the New Apostolic Reformation Seven Mountains heresy, and dominionism; who is keeping record of such things? Beloved, God is keeping record of such things:

And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. - Revelation 20: 15 (ESV)


Every now and again we have to stop the lunacy train and remind ourselves why this is important. The Bible teaches this life is but a vapor. A mist that is here one second and gone the next. What follows however lasts forever. Eternity is a very long time. It is a very long time to be drastically wrong about it. There is no door number three. There is no third option. Your name is either in the Lamb's Book of Life or you spend eternity in the lake of fire. If you want to have a philosophical debate about God regarding His righteous judgment, find someone else. There is not a lot of time left because Jesus is coming back soon. If you want to continue to play church and pretend these things do not matter be my guest. If not, pay attention because doctrine is what will save you, nothing else:

Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers. - 1Timothy 4: 16 (ESV)


Why doctrine? Because Jesus is His Word. When one walks away from the correct Gospel they walk away from the correct Christ. The Bible clearly teaches that one may very well believe but believe in vain. Think about that sobering fact for a second. The people Jesus speaks about saying "Lord Lord" are people who believed. Yet they believed in vain. Their belief was useless because it was in an incorrect doctrine, a false gospel, the wrong Christ. How do people not see this? The Bible is explicitly clear that narrow is the way that leads to eternal life and few are those who find it. Few! Read through the Pauline letters and you will consistently see that anyone who strays from doctrine is removed from the fellowship. Of what possible fellowship can light have with darkness beloved? None! Yet in modern Christendom we have convinced ourselves that if someone merely says the name Jesus correctly then we can agree to disagree on those pesky doctrinal matters. I know many people who clearly see the utter falseness in Joel Osteen or Joseph Prince yet still consider them brothers in Christ. That is ridiculous! Someone who leads people to believe in false doctrine leads people to a false Christ. He leads them to believe in vain. He assures them that their name will not be in the Lamb's Book of Life. Are we starting to connect the dots here? Jesus makes this point abundantly clear when His own natural family were trying to see Him one day:

While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you." He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." - Matthew 12: 46-50 (ESV)


Do we really think this is about His mother and brother? The point Jesus is making is that our fellowship is based upon the will of God, which is the Bible. Doctrine is the unity that must bind us. Not this loosey-goosey carnal sense of love. Francis Chan stood at IHOP in 2013 and declared his love for the false prophet Mike Bickle and in doing so removed himself from any serious consideration as a preacher of God's Word. Unity can only be based upon doctrine. The Bible actually teaches that disunity is caused by false doctrine:

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. - Romans 16: 17-18 (ESV)


Contrary to the doctrine you have been taught! How many these days are led astray by the smooth talk and flattery of false teachers. How special you are. What wonderful plans God has just for you! How every story in the Bible is about you. How God wants you wealthy beyond your greediest dreams. You're the head and not the tail! More than a conqueror! The hearts of the naive are constantly led astray by the people who were supposed to lead them. With this as the backdrop, let us turn our attention to the IHOP "Onething Conference," which just occurred this week. Francis Chan did speak there again, further cementing the fact that no one with discernment should ever listen to him again unless he repents. Besides Chan this year saw the President of the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), Ronnie Floyd, as a main speaker. The SBC has long been considered a bastion of decent discernment and theology. Names like Albert Moehler come to mind. But the end times draw tighter around us we see the great apostasy intensify. As it does we see major fellowships and denominations getting on board with the anti-Christ system. We see the once proud Assemblies of God in bed with blatant heretics such as Bill Johnson and Roma Downey. So it is no wonder that Ronnie Floyd and the SBC may be heading down the road to biblical irrelevance as well. What is telling is that Floyd must have realized on some spiritual level and his opening remarks reveal how flawed thinking is becoming in these last days about the matters we laid out in the backdrop as being crystal clear scripturally. Floyd said:

"I'm not here tonight to highlight our theological differences, but to bend my knee, next to yours, and to ask God to have mercy on America. I also know that my being here is not an endorsement of your theology or your endorsement of my orthodoxy, I did not get asked to this gathering tonight because the leaders agree with all of my theological convictions. In fact, if we're totally honest with one another we know that thousands of us who are filling this convention center and thousands more who are streaming live around the world, we're not in total agreement about a lot of the secondary matters of life, ministry, and even the bible. Yet my being here is a clear indication that these are times when people must come together and pray." - Ronnie Floyd


Beloved Satan and God do not just have theological differences. Remember there are only two roads and two endpoints. You are either on the road that leads to the narrow gate or the broad path that leads to destruction. The reason it is a broad path is there are a lot of people on it. Anyone who professes faith in Jesus Christ has no fellowship with IHOP. The list mentioned earlier is accurate. They teach the heretical bridal paradigm, which leads to the over sexualization of Christ. They teach dominionism, which is the heresy that says we have to prepare the earth for the second coming of Christ. Along with Dominionism often comes the Seven Mountains Mandate teaching, which is proffered by the New Apostolic Reformation. The notion that Christians must take over the "seven mountains of culture." IHOP also is heavy into eastern mysticism and contemplative prayer. Visualization techniques and the chanting of mantras. Their own worship music is designed as such and incorporates much of the bridal paradigm as well with lyrics that may as well be secular love songs with a "R" rating. Their leader is a self proclaimed prophet who claims to hear directly from God. He preys on the young, encouraging them that they are an "end times army." Now maybe some hear things like this and think what's the big deal? The big deal is that none of this is the Gospel of Jesus Christ and only serves to distract from the Gospel. It means that people who have placed their faith in this doctrine are actually following doctrines of demons.


The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. - 1Timothy 4: 1 (ESV)


So why would the head of the SBC choose to align with such heresy? Why would he view the clear teachings of Scripture as mere theological differences? Why is the Gospel secondary? Because something else has become primary for Ronnie Floyd. Something else has become more important than doctrine and that something has become an idol. Something he must bow down to before he considers the Bible. That idol is America. He admits it right there in his opening remarks. He admits to not even endorse the theology of IHOP but somehow thinks it is still valuable to bow his knee with them to pray for this idol. He admits that IHOP would never endorse the SBC orthodoxy but still thinks it is more important to join forces with darkness in order to pray for some form of revival in the idol he loves so dearly. Perhaps the most telling portion of his remarks though is this:


In fact, if we're totally honest with one another we know that thousands of us who are filling this convention center and thousands more who are streaming live around the world, we're not in total agreement about a lot of the secondary matters of life, ministry, and even the bible. - Ronnie Floyd


Doctrine has become a secondary issue to Ronnie Floyd and the SBC. As it has become a secondary issue for so many in Christendom today. I understand why. America is a tough idol to break from. It provides the land of the freedom to almost do whatever you want. It thrives on excess and sin. It always has. It has wealth beyond measure, opportunity beyond dreams, and rewards greed, lust and pride. The church was supposed to stand in opposition to these things. It was supposed to stand for mercy and forgiveness. Charity and grace. Now these are mere footnotes in sermons designed to confirm the lifestyle of the idol that is America. Doctrine? Nah, we can worry about that later. Let us all bow the knee together and pray that our way of life is preserved. We have lost sight of the Lamb's Book of Life. Churches today preach about this temporal life. They teach principles about this temporal life. They encourage storing up treasures for this temporal life. Then when someone comes along and talks about the life yet to come that is relegated to a secondary issue. But when something comes along and threatens our temporal life, we must join hands in unity. But the question must be asked again.


Of what fellowship does light have with darkness? Who is my mother and brother but he who does the will of my Father? Floyd's opening remarks concluded with his assertion that his being at the "Onething Conference" was a clear indication that these times are when people must come together and pray. No Ronnie. Your attendance there indicates that these are the end times when people will cast aside true doctrine to chase after the idols that are more important to them. To turn to a different gospel. We should not be surprised beloved. The Bible warns us of such things and there is nothing new under the sun. Our key verses are the opening to Paul's letter to the church at Galatia. How quickly did the Galatians abandon the true Gospel that Paul had preached? It seems at the time there were a group of false teachers called the Judaizers. They were perverting the Gospel to say that salvation was not only through grace but also through circumcision. Just like today we see IHOP claiming the Gospel says we have to prepare the earth for the second coming of Christ. Or that prayer involves some kind of emptying of self and repetitive mantras.


Remember that the political climate in the days of Paul was worse than what we have now. The Jewish people were still under heavy oppression with Rome that was growing ever worse day by day. Paul did not think it necessary to bow the knee with the Judaizers. After all they believed in Jesus! They believed in grace! They just added a little law to it. They just added their own twist to the Gospel. What's the big deal? The big deal is false gospels cannot save anyone. Following a false gospel is how one believes in vain. It is how you can be assured your name is not written in the Lamb's Book of Life.


This is why Paul uses such strong language here. If anyone even wants to distort the Gospel a little let them be accursed! Even if an angel gives you a different gospel, which is what Joseph Smith claims happened when he founded Mormonism, let them be accursed. If anyone preaches a contrary gospel, let them be accursed. Do not sing Kumbaya with them. Do not speak at their conferences. Do not bow your knee with them. Let them be accursed. Mark those that cause division in the body by way of doctrine contrary to the Gospel. IHOP is marked. Francis Chan is marked. Now the Southern Baptist Convention is marked. Pray for the people that follow these because in the end there are only two choices - "Well done my good and faithful servant" or "Lord Lord." Let us never lose sight of why discernment and doctrine are so important. Why they are not secondary matters. Let no idol ever stand in your way of the God you claim to serve. Let no man convince you otherwise. Let them be accursed.

Bill Johnson professes a teaching that is shared with IHOP (International House of Prayer) of an “Elijah Generation”, or an elite group of Christians that shows up at the end of the age, is greater than any other group of Christians in history, and do greater miracles than Jesus. Such teaching has its roots in the long-discredited Latter Rain movement that began in the 1940s.

Ronnie Floyd partners with IHOP cult leader & false apostle/prophet Mike Bickle

 

By churchwatcher / November 19, 2015

 

For a long time we have observed false teachers and leaders in the SBC shake off their sheepskin and merge with the mainstream pack of wolves.

 

Ronnie Floyd, as president of the Southern Baptist Convention, is one such man who has chosen to respond to the praises of man while shunning the truth and righteousness of the Holy Spirit & God’s Word. He can hold claim to all his accomplishment but one thing remains, his inability to discern the obvious shows that his faith is both juvenile and irresponsible.

 

If the Spirit of God is in Floyd, why does he not show it and instead (once again) side with dangerous men such as Mike Bickle?

 

Mike Bickle is one of the head movers and shakers in the New Apostolic Reformation cult and is elevated as one of its governing Apostle and Prophet. He was head of the Kansas City Prophet (KCP) movement with Bob Jones and still remains largely unaccountable to the damage he caused. Now Bickle is head of the popular iHOP cult, preaching the damnable NAR “Gospel of the Kingdom” and peddling his own bizarre fanatical doctrines such as “Harp & Bowl,” “Bridal Paradigm,” “Manchild/New Breed” doctrines and many others.

 

For Ronnie Floyd to endorse this speaking engagement is to endorse the extreme fanatical and highly dangerous cult teachers of the New Apostolic Reformation. While we hope Floyd reconsiders the consequences of this speaking engagement, the fact remains it appears that Floyd has used his position to  compromise the name of Christ and His Church.

 

When will the SBC deal with the shenanigans of this hireling disguised as a significant church leader?

 

Berean Research writes,

 

Southern Baptist Convention president to speak at IHOP-KC’s “Onething” gathering?

 

Southern Baptist Convention President Ronnie Floyd will be speaking in December at Onething, the International House of Prayer’s annual celebration/convention. So will Francis Chan–for the second time. Onething takes place December 28-31, 2015.Catholic Matt Maher will be one of the worship leaders. The IHOP Onething Worship and Leaders page notes that Maher played at the World Meeting of Families, which marked “Pope Francis’ first visit to the U.S. this year.”Ronnie Floyd’s appearance at Onething potentially opens some Southern Baptist members to IHOP-KC influence . How many SBC members will be watching Onething online because Floyd will be speaking there? As noted in Francis Chan as IHOP-KC’s public relations agent?, Chan’s 2013 participation in Onething was a public relations bonanza for IHOP-KC.It should be stated that there are people in IHOP-KC who are saved. Those who have broad-brushed everyone in IHOP-KC as being heretics or apostates are in in error. Many of the young people who come to IHOP-KC are already Christians, and they want the hands-on experience that IHOP-KC seemingly offers.


Should we be concerned with IHOP-KC’s teachings? Yes. Should Christians accept or participate in IHOP-KC? We should not.

 

IHOP-KC is built on a contemplative foundation. Because of this, much deception has occurred. It is part of the New Apostolic Reformation (more on this in Part Two), and leader Mike Bickle, like many other contemplatives, is seemingly unconcerned about the profound differences between Catholic theology and that of the Bible.

 

This spiritual blindness makes sense, given Bickle’s enchantment with the long-dead Catholic contemplatives who helped spread this unholy meditative practice. Two of the most influential Catholic contemplatives were (are) Teresa of Avila and John of the Cross. Incredibly, Bickle states that he wants Father Thomas Dubay’s Fire Within, a book about these two mystics, to “be the manual for IHOP-KC.”

 

 

Source: Marsha West, Berean Research, Southern Baptist Convention president to speak at IHOP-KC’s “Onething” gathering?, http://bereanresearch.org/southern-baptist-convention-president-to-speak-at-ihop-kcs-onething-gathering/, Published 17/11/2015. (Accessed 18/11/2015.)

Chris Rosebrough reviews Mike Bickle’s sermon,  “Blow the Trumpet in Zion”

Between 1983 to 1984, Mike Bickle was formulating the controversial ‘Blueprint prophecy’ with the convicted Bob Jones and false prophet Augustine Alcala. Chris Rosebrough from “Fighting for the Faith” recently covered an older sermon of Mike Bickle in 1983 called “Blow the Trumpet in Zion.”

 

Bickle’s theology is saturated with the New Apostolic Reformation heresy (Aka: NAR). It’s a fascinating sermon that exposes the “New Apostolic Reformation,” the “prophetic” background of Mike Bickle and the birthing of the NAR Kansas City Prophets (KCP). This false prophetic movement within the NAR has released utter chaos, confusion, destruction and division in the church to this day. In this sermon review, Rosebrough helps people understand the NAR philosophies, ideas, methodologies and language.

 

Bickle delivers a disturbing message on how we are supposed to accept without question any new revelations from God. He condemns those who compares his new teachings to Scripture. He also emphasizes that those who are educated cannot be used by God.

To put it bluntly, Bickle is a totalitarian NAR “Prophet.” To question him or any of these NAR “prophets” is to question God’s Heavenly governance here on Earth. So why is Ronnie Floyd, (president of the Southern Baptist Convention), speaking at one of the biggest NAR cult conferences on the planet?